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	<title>Comments on: New York Times Turns Giant Eye Towards the Street Vendor Issue</title>
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		<title>By: susan</title>
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		<dc:creator>susan</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:37:50 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Can someone explain to me how a food truck is competition for a jewelry vendor?  I can almost buy the argument from the vendor that if someone only has $5 to spend, they will choose from one food vendor or another, but if I&#039;m hungry, I&#039;m not going to choose jewelry over lunch.  And if I&#039;m looking for jewelry, I&#039;m not going to buy a hot dog or fancy cupcake.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Can someone explain to me how a food truck is competition for a jewelry vendor?  I can almost buy the argument from the vendor that if someone only has $5 to spend, they will choose from one food vendor or another, but if I&#8217;m hungry, I&#8217;m not going to choose jewelry over lunch.  And if I&#8217;m looking for jewelry, I&#8217;m not going to buy a hot dog or fancy cupcake.</p>
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		<title>By: kumrabai</title>
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		<dc:creator>kumrabai</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 20:16:53 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Any vendors looking at this thread - pleassssssse come to the United Nations.  There is no competition, and awful food in the cafeteria.  And there is a real shortage of convenient take out options on first ave.  Imagine, thousands of hungry office workers, no competition......</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Any vendors looking at this thread &#8211; pleassssssse come to the United Nations.  There is no competition, and awful food in the cafeteria.  And there is a real shortage of convenient take out options on first ave.  Imagine, thousands of hungry office workers, no competition&#8230;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamacita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:57:42 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Living with Doc Chuck LOL!</description>
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		<title>By: Fred</title>
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		<dc:creator>Fred</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 19:52:01 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>or more likely, from a singlewide in a trashy trailer park deep in rural Arkansas</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>or more likely, from a singlewide in a trashy trailer park deep in rural Arkansas</p>
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		<title>By: Combo Over Rice Champion</title>
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		<dc:creator>Combo Over Rice Champion</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 18:27:38 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Some of the comments on the New York Times Article are pretty choice: 

&quot;queensgirl46
Maryland
July 1st, 2009
12:44 pm
I have never condoned street vending of any kind - food or goods. I don&#039;t care how &quot;designer&quot; the foods are they are selling, or how cheap the goods they are selling are compared to buying them in stores. They are unneeded competition for regular merchants, and always have been.&quot;

You must&#039;ve enjoyed the view from behind your desk ... in Maryland.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Some of the comments on the New York Times Article are pretty choice: </p>
<p>&#8220;queensgirl46<br />
Maryland<br />
July 1st, 2009<br />
12:44 pm<br />
I have never condoned street vending of any kind &#8211; food or goods. I don&#8217;t care how &#8220;designer&#8221; the foods are they are selling, or how cheap the goods they are selling are compared to buying them in stores. They are unneeded competition for regular merchants, and always have been.&#8221;</p>
<p>You must&#8217;ve enjoyed the view from behind your desk &#8230; in Maryland.</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamacita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:43:40 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>Damn I can&#039;t spell: &quot;They were better off being left alone&quot;.... &quot;the whole heart and soul of the park is gone&quot;...</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>Damn I can&#8217;t spell: &#8220;They were better off being left alone&#8221;&#8230;. &#8220;the whole heart and soul of the park is gone&#8221;&#8230;</p>
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		<title>By: Mamacita</title>
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		<dc:creator>Mamacita</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:41:31 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>The ballfields were absolutely ruined by the DOH codes. It&#039;s sad. The were better off being left alone, they whole heart and soul of the park is gone.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>The ballfields were absolutely ruined by the DOH codes. It&#8217;s sad. The were better off being left alone, they whole heart and soul of the park is gone.</p>
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		<title>By: Zach Brooks</title>
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		<dc:creator>Zach Brooks</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:27:34 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>@ Danny - I agree with you that increasing the permits to 25,000 is not the answer, especially if it isn&#039;t accompanied by new ways of handling cart vs. cart, and cart vs. brick and mortar relations.  

But the Ballfields are not better off because of the new &quot;regulations&quot;. You can create healthy street food without forcing street vendors to go into ridiculous debt, just to conform to a code created by a bunch of people in city hall who probably had never even been to the Ballfields. And their only crime, really, was becoming popular (not getting anybody sick.)

So, while I support making sure that current carts are completely up to code, and I support cracking down on the black market that supplies illegal permits, I don&#039;t support a plan that forces already established street vendors- who already make very little money- to have to bid against new vendors in order to keep the businesses they have fought years to build up.  

If you think you can have your $5 chicken + lamb over rice, while simultaneously forcing the vendors to bid against well funded new mobile operations, you are sorely mistaken.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>@ Danny &#8211; I agree with you that increasing the permits to 25,000 is not the answer, especially if it isn&#8217;t accompanied by new ways of handling cart vs. cart, and cart vs. brick and mortar relations.  </p>
<p>But the Ballfields are not better off because of the new &#8220;regulations&#8221;. You can create healthy street food without forcing street vendors to go into ridiculous debt, just to conform to a code created by a bunch of people in city hall who probably had never even been to the Ballfields. And their only crime, really, was becoming popular (not getting anybody sick.)</p>
<p>So, while I support making sure that current carts are completely up to code, and I support cracking down on the black market that supplies illegal permits, I don&#8217;t support a plan that forces already established street vendors- who already make very little money- to have to bid against new vendors in order to keep the businesses they have fought years to build up.  </p>
<p>If you think you can have your $5 chicken + lamb over rice, while simultaneously forcing the vendors to bid against well funded new mobile operations, you are sorely mistaken.</p>
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		<title>By: Danny</title>
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		<dc:creator>Danny</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:10:51 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>While the Red Hook Ball Fields situation unfolded in an unfortunate manner, I&#039;m glad that in the end, the vendors ended up with permits. Even though I think if a place continually gets people sick, people would stop visiting, it&#039;s still good to make people have permits and pass inspection. 

My friend from Singapore says that the food vendors that bid in an auction system for their permits. And arguably that&#039;s the food cart capital of the world. But here in New York we don&#039;t like the bidding system for some reason. I mean, we&#039;re ok if there&#039;s a bidding system for hot dog vendors in Central Park because well, we don&#039;t eat lunch in Central Park. 

There&#039;s only so many ways to fix a broken system where you have an endless number of people who think they can run a food car. Hell, someone wanted to sell f&#039;kn pb&amp;j sandwiches on the street. 

We all want some sort of utopian world where vending permits are easy to come by, vending permits are cheap, parking spots are plenty, food trucks don&#039;t congest traffic, and the list is endless. But that proposed legislation from 3100 permits to 25,000 permits is only going to increase traffic congestion. Increase pollution. What else? hmm... I think it&#039;ll help the situation, but it&#039;s not going to help the city. With 8 times as many permits, it&#039;s possible the permit supply will be more than permit demand. Just seems like a silly way for a city to do business. And just because there&#039;s more people signing up for $200 dollar permits doesn&#039;t make the system any better. You&#039;re only going to have marginally more money in the budget. To do what? Inspect? I&#039;m surprised they did this inspection because it&#039;s just a waste of money in a time when the city can&#039;t even afford to hire new teachers.</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>While the Red Hook Ball Fields situation unfolded in an unfortunate manner, I&#8217;m glad that in the end, the vendors ended up with permits. Even though I think if a place continually gets people sick, people would stop visiting, it&#8217;s still good to make people have permits and pass inspection. </p>
<p>My friend from Singapore says that the food vendors that bid in an auction system for their permits. And arguably that&#8217;s the food cart capital of the world. But here in New York we don&#8217;t like the bidding system for some reason. I mean, we&#8217;re ok if there&#8217;s a bidding system for hot dog vendors in Central Park because well, we don&#8217;t eat lunch in Central Park. </p>
<p>There&#8217;s only so many ways to fix a broken system where you have an endless number of people who think they can run a food car. Hell, someone wanted to sell f&#8217;kn pb&amp;j sandwiches on the street. </p>
<p>We all want some sort of utopian world where vending permits are easy to come by, vending permits are cheap, parking spots are plenty, food trucks don&#8217;t congest traffic, and the list is endless. But that proposed legislation from 3100 permits to 25,000 permits is only going to increase traffic congestion. Increase pollution. What else? hmm&#8230; I think it&#8217;ll help the situation, but it&#8217;s not going to help the city. With 8 times as many permits, it&#8217;s possible the permit supply will be more than permit demand. Just seems like a silly way for a city to do business. And just because there&#8217;s more people signing up for $200 dollar permits doesn&#8217;t make the system any better. You&#8217;re only going to have marginally more money in the budget. To do what? Inspect? I&#8217;m surprised they did this inspection because it&#8217;s just a waste of money in a time when the city can&#8217;t even afford to hire new teachers.</p>
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		<title>By: wayne</title>
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		<dc:creator>wayne</dc:creator>
		<pubDate>Wed, 01 Jul 2009 14:05:54 +0000</pubDate>
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		<description>In support of this article, on the front page of the NYT Dining Section there is a cartoon of your typical food vendors at war (hot dogs, burgers, etc.)  Mildly entertaining, but what intrigued me was the inclusion of a cartoon &quot;clam roll&quot; cart.  Is there actually a clam roll cart in NY?!?  Or is this just the NYT taking liberties with factual reporting again?</description>
		<content:encoded><![CDATA[<p>In support of this article, on the front page of the NYT Dining Section there is a cartoon of your typical food vendors at war (hot dogs, burgers, etc.)  Mildly entertaining, but what intrigued me was the inclusion of a cartoon &#8220;clam roll&#8221; cart.  Is there actually a clam roll cart in NY?!?  Or is this just the NYT taking liberties with factual reporting again?</p>
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